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Helping those with depression

Sunday, 26 March, 2006

Last night I was on the phone for a long time with an old friend whose husband also has depression. I was appalled at how little support she was getting and it made me feverently wish that the general Christian populace was more educated about it. But then I know that I and her are part of that re-education process; through our lives other Christians will slowly start to understand what a terrible and debilitating disease depression is.

Peter Brain has some very good tips for helping friends who have depression:

  • Don't think, “I can't do anything—I haven't had any training.” You don't have to be a psychologist to say, “I love you”.
  • Don't think, “I don't have the time to get involved.” If seven people give 15 minutes per day each, that's a whole week of helping and caring covered.
  • Don't say, “I'm here if you need me” or “let me know if we can help”. Some days it is impossibly difficult even to pick up the phone.
  • Don't ask, “How are you?” in the church foyer or the shopping centre and expect a truthful answer—you probably won't get one, because of the fear of breaking down.
  • Don't assume help is being given. “Everybody thought Somebody was doing it when Nobody was.”
  • Be prepared to meet depressed people in their own home. They feel safe there and know that you really mean it when you say you want to help.
  • Don't try to solve all their problems with good advice. There's time for that when they are well again.
  • Don't be offended if they appear rude or angry. It is only an expression of the feelings inside them that have to come out somehow.
  • Listen to what is being said. It will give the best indication of how you can help.
  • Don't assume that because they are happy and positive one day they won't be suicidal the next. Highs are always followed by lows.
  • Don't give up! If you do, they might too, because there is nothing worse than finding out that your friends AREN'T!

Peter Brain, Going the Distance, Matthias Media, 2004, p. 80.

The bit about expecting them to take the initiative is especially important. I am fortunate enough to have friends who have told me that I can ring them up at three in the morning if necessary but often I won't ring them because, as he says, sometimes it's “impossibly hard” and I have absolutely no motivation to do so. And sometimes I don't want to talk on the phone ... I don't really like talking on the phone (which may have been a by-product of MTS but I think it also stems back to my job in the Arts and Social Sciences student centre).

Obviously it's not an exhaustive list and there are a lot of “Don'ts” in it which isn't very helpful if you want to know what you can do. So I've come up with my own list:

On that last point, the verses that have been a great comfort to me are:

“And when you pray, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do, for they think that they will be heard for their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.” (Matthew 6:7-8)


“Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life? And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

“Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.” (Matthew 6:25-34)


“I tell you, my friends, do not fear those who kill the body, and after that have nothing more that they can do. But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him! Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies? And not one of them is forgotten before God. Why, even the hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not; you are of more value than many sparrows.” (Luke 12:4-7)


For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience.

Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? As it is written,

“For your sake we are being killed all the day long;
we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.”

No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 8:18-39)


Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.

Consider him who endured from sinners such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted. In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons?

“My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord,
nor be weary when reproved by him.
For the Lord disciplines the one he loves,
and chastises every son whom he receives.”

It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. Besides this, we have had earthly fathers who disciplined us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live? For they disciplined us for a short time as it seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness. For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it. (Hebrews 12:1-11)


Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God. He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”

And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment. The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son. But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:1-8)

Update (9:44 p.m.): Thought of one more thing. Take your friend away for a holiday—a weekend away or a week-long thing. You probably know people who own holiday houses which aren't being used when it's term time. Ask if you can use it for a weekend and then take your friend away with you and give them the freedom to eat and sleep and do whatever they want—you'll take care of all the cooking and whatever. Just to give them a break and help them get away. I think this would be especially valuable for my friend with the depressed husband; how I'd love to be able to take her away for a while to recharge the batteries. And somehow provide for him while she was away too ...

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In the spirit of answering questions but missing the deeper issues of the post, I present the following:

Greater union movie money is $115 for a book of ten (but if you buy 20,000, it goes down to $9.30 a ticket… I can’t imagine why they have this pricing detail on the GU website).

Hoyts is $110 for a book of ten (but there’s a postage charge - ).

MBF offer a discount of up to 25%, which is about $12 per ticket, but you have to go to one of their branches to find out the exact price.

For cheap movie tickets, there’s also a few in the entertainment book - if you buy it through the PTC, my college gets some amount of money back…

At the moment (this month), movies are quite cheap (at most $10) if you book tickets online, so it might be better to call the friend and book the tickets all in one conversation.

Wow, Dave, you’re like the best research assistant!

RE online booking: The problem is then I’d have to be there with them to pick up the tickets because it works on your credit card number. And I don’t want to necessarily go with them to the movies—I want them to be able to go when they want to and maybe not with me.

I think Greater Union put that info up for those who like to book charity screenings.

Hmm, my closest MBF is Burwood. Must pay them a visit some time ...

Don’t ask, “How are you?” in the church foyer or the shopping centre and expect a truthful answer—you probably won’t get one, because of the fear of breaking down.

*sigh*

So true about the breaking down when someone asks how you are (esp. if they’re a close friend...), and the fear of breaking down...and then after a while you get sick of breaking down all the time...v. emotionally draining…

Thanks for the helpful post Karen smile This post needs a flag/post-it note, so I can find it quickly when needed smile

Good point: and transferring the balance to -their- card for them to pick up the tickets is a little too much like charity: the distinction between cash and gift certificate is an important one.

Maybe an organisation like beyond blue could make a bulk purchase of movie tickets, then make them available on the cheap...?

Thank you for the advice Karen.

I’ve been a bit despairing recently: one of my v close friends has just been diagnosed with anxiety/depression, and she’s soooo busy with work, and she seems to be pretty cruisey some of the time, but not at others (obviously)and I’m so glad to have you handing out advice on nice things to do for people like her to help them.

thank you!!

grin

Posted by Joanna on 28 March, 2006 10:01 AM

Hi Karen, that was really helpful advice. I just read your post yesterday and then today I got a copy of Salt and that article had similarly helpful stuff. It’s someting everyone comes across, whether they’re aware of it or not and it’s so good to have helpful advice from christians who are dealing with it or helping others to.

I guess I just wanted to thank you for your blog - I often find what you write interesting, helpful, encouraging, though-provoking or challenging (and sometimes all of those things!)

Posted by bronwyn on 28 March, 2006 2:36 PM

Thanks Bron! BTW, have you and your husband landed at Moore yet?

Not yet - we’re due next year! Although we’re pretty sure, we haven’t finalised the decision because it has demoninational complications for us coming back to Tassie to work with our church. Still, we’re pretty much psyched up for coming to Sydney next year either way. It feels like it will be in no time at all.

Actually, one question I’ve been meaning to ask some of the women who were at college for first year is this: was there anything you wished you’d read, or prepared for (or were glad you did) before you came to college? The guys all said the Institutes… which is on the list but pretty daunting, but from the point of view of a woman who is probably only going to be studying for one year I just thought I’d see if you had any recommendations?

Posted by bronwyn on 29 March, 2006 10:45 PM

Hmm, let’s see.

I was glad that I knuckled down and read Graeme Goldsworthy’s According to Plan before college started (even though it was deadly dull and almost put me to sleep at times). I was also grateful for all the Bible teaching I had received over the years at ECU and at all the churches I’d ever been to—particularly the places where they had taken the time to preach through whole books, e.g. Hebrews.

I wish I had read a bit more doctrine-type books—like T.C. Hammond’s In Understanding Be Men. (I was reading Peter Jensen’s At the Heart of the Universe while doing college but I didn’t find it all that helpful—I think you have to read Peter closely otherwise his writing does not yield its treasures.) I would have liked more time to think through those sorts of things. I wish I had read John Stott’s The Cross of Christ. And I also wish I had read a little bit more history—like that Chadwick book about the early church—just to get my bearings. Though if you’ve got a free afternoon, you could just go online and surf Wikipedia and look up the entries on things like Constantine and the early church (Ignatius, Polycarp, Augustine, etc.) but don’t spend that long on it because B&M-ers only spend a week or two on that period (or they used to ... now that Mike’s gone, everything might have changed. It’s worth checking with someone who is in first year now).

If you’re keen to do Greek, you should definitely learn the alphabet, the noun table (1st and 2nd declensions; don’t worry about the 3rd) and the present active indicative of luw. It really does give you a head start if you know that much and makes Greek far less stressful throughout the year.

that’s awesome - thanks for the advice. The Cross of Christ has been on my ‘to-read’ list for ages (ie, at least a couple of years) so I’ll make sure I do it! Some doctrine will cerainly not hurt, and history is a big passion of mine anyway. Nick says he can help me with the greek which is cool. I did actually start a while ago but tend to give things a go for a few weeks then give up. I can remember the alphabet at least!

Posted by bronwyn on 30 March, 2006 9:13 AM

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Comment:

Kathleen said in Beilharzen:

Congratulations again smile

Elsie said in Beilharzen:

Don’t laminate your ultrasound picture smile That is my advice.

Diane Lovell said in Beilharzen:

Congratulations! This is so fantastic! smile

Little said in Beilharzen:

Thanks so much for sharing all of this… people swap engagement stories but rarely pregnancy stories! And it’s kind of similar don’t you think, all this excitement leading up to a big day!

So happy for you guys! Actually never been more excited for anyone except my sister! I think it’s because I think that you will both be amazing parents and love the idea that someone could grow up in your family.

Looking forward to many more posts on the topic. smile

Jan said in Beilharzen:

Lovely news, Karen.

/Karen/ said in Beilharzen:

Thanks everyone! I will be sure to ask for help when I need it!

sammi said in Beilharzen:

Great pic!! Peanut is cute! :D
Praying for you all!
xx

Sarah said in Beilharzen:

:D
I had a similar sort of morning sickness.. except I threw up! I’m suitably impressed that you coped OS.. that must have been tough.
It sounds like you’re doing marvelously otherwise!
Book recommendation on something a bit less technical and a bit more human: ‘Birth’ http://www.birthnet.com.au/

Bec said in Beilharzen:

Praise be to God indeed!  Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful.

Ben A said in Beilharzen:

Congratulations, Beilharzen! Welcome to the slightly-bewildering world of pregnancy (and birth...and children...). God has blessed you greatly with this new life. We’ll be praying for Peanut’s growth and development, and for you guys as you prepare.

I’m sure you’re surrounded by baby veterans, but always happy to help with books/advice/recommendations/listening.

B&L;

Fi said in Oblique:

Excellent job Karen! You SHOULD be pleased with yourself!

Have you discovered http://www.ravelry.com ? It is an excellent site with thousands of free patterns in its database, lots of support, tips, forums etc and of course - friends like me? Look me up when you get there - fionag77

PS Are you just wearing a bulky dress or are you sporting a bump under that dress?

sammi said in Oblique:

oooh.... It’s done and it looks great on you! xxx

Bec said in Oblique:

Well done on all that hard work!  It looks great and will be very snuggly come winter!

/Karen/ said in Fashioning (part 2):

Thanks for letting me know, Timo!

Timo Rissanen said in Fashioning (part 2):

Hi there,
Thanks for pointing out the shortcoming on our website. I’ll pass it on to my colleagues and hopefully it will be rectified soon.

The documentary at Fashioning Now was by Holly Kaye-Smith; I’d be more than happy to put you in touch with her if you’d like.

Again, thanks for the comment, much appreciate it!

Kind regards,
Timo Rissanen

/Karen/ said in Fashioning (part 1):

Thanks Mark! Much appreciated!

Mark Crean said in Fashioning (part 1):

Rich survey, Karen. Particularly I was struck by the notion of Jesus being clothed with our sins. I heard recently somebody suggest the crown of thorns was a kings crown but it was made of the symbol of the curse in the Garden - thorns. I would like to read your thoughts about Joseph’s coat of many colours.
Looking forward to the next installment. Regards,Mark

Kathleen said in Yvonne (Part 3):

It is lovely - and looks great on you.

You’ve made me want to read it - though I may need an interpreter at times!

Kathleen said in Bag learner (reprise):

Well done with the sewing!
I think it looks good - very relaxed and spring-y.

/Karen/ said in Creative endeavour:

Hey Sandra! Thanks for the tip! I read it yesterday, but I struggled a bit because Lewis doesn’t start from the Bible. I wasn’t convinced by his argument. What did you think?

Interesting post Karen - Thanks smile
I like the ending too! :D
xxx

Fantastic post, Karen. Just great. Thanks!

Thanks Bec! Eternal life just keeps getting better and better ...

I do like the way you ended this post - excellent thought.

Personally I don’t feel that way. Maybe that’s something you should blog about?

Wow. Lots of things to pick up on there. It’s been interesting to see the changes to your blog these last 6-12 months: Twitter is certainly more immediate, but are there (gasp) downsides to having its constant buzz in the ear?

Is our (already fractured) ability to concentrate on a single relationship at a time further jeapordised by the regular buzz of tweetdeck (and worse yet, by the imagined sense of loss that goes with being off the grid)?

Or am I just projecting my own fears?

sandra j said in Creative endeavour:

Hi Karen!
If you’re still thinking about this… I just read CS Lewis’s essay “Learning in War-time” which exactly addresses this issue (ie. how can we justify cultural & aesthetic pursuits when people are going to hell around us?).  Have you read it?  i’d be interested to hear what you think..
(i have it in his little volume “Transposition and other Addresses”, but it’s easily findable online)

Sarah said in Creative endeavour:

I’m doing my own series on the trials and tribulations of writing on my own blog here http://sedshed.blogspot.com/search/label/From%20Head%20to%20Hand
It’s coming along slowly smile

Coincidentily, I stumbled upon the above Phonogram vs. the Fans cover when digging around for ID concepts for Salt. A disturbingly brilliant image.

Thanks Karen. At the very least, this post gives some context to your myriad of phonogram tweets. At best, it has reinvigorated my stagnated appreciation of comics.

Seriously, though 4,549 words. Is that the best you can do? I say, longer!

Hey @RodeoClown! Yes, I neglected to mention Gillen writes about gaming. Guan said once he had the ideal job: writing, comics and games.

As far as I know, McKelvie doesn’t trace photos; he just draws (so talented ...)

You should give Phonogram a try. Be warned, though: series 1 is a little different to series 2—still clever but there are some things that are a bit strange in it if you’re not used to the fantastic.

RodeoClown said in Phonogram: A fangirl's tribute:

Whoops, I stuffed up that link, sorry.
It was to Rock Paper Shotgun where he writes (he also has a standalone blog as well.

RodeoClown said in Phonogram: A fangirl's tribute:

I didn’t know Gillen wrote comics until I saw the last phongram reference you made on here. It’s odd as I only knew of him as a videogame jounalist (which he is also really good at).

I read the sample issue of phonogram they have up at the Image comics (I think) site.

It looked pretty interesting - I like the subtlety involved in telling the story - the references aren’t all forciby thrust into your brain by the writer.

Do you know if the art is done by tracing photos or just dtawn?

I certainly don’t understand enough about pop music to really get that comic series, but I’m glad you’ve shared how you came to appreciate comics.

I’d say go and make some short comics. Seems like it will make the longer stuff easier to put together.

You’re right. I don’t really understand. But I do so love reading your writing. It’s like you’re speaking inside my head and excitedly telling me something.

/Karen/ said in Creative endeavour:

Thanks Sarah! Feel free to share your own thoughts on the subject.

Sarah said in Creative endeavour:

I’m a Christian, I’m a writer (well, I’m working on my first novel which is nearing completion) and I felt your post so PERFECTLY captured the dilemmas I’ve been thinking about.

yvonne said in Yvonne (Part 3):

KAREN!!!! it looks so amazing!!! i cant believe how beautiful it is. Everyone at work is just amazed at how talented you are. I’ll get in contact with you soon xx

JC said in Yvonne (Part 2):

I love it, Karen. You must teach me how to do this.

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Guy Gavriel Kay's official website.

ESV in MP3 form: complete BIble is USD 30.00.

The hazards of noise for children because their ears are more sensitive.

Digital billboards: distracting for drivers or will the regulations keep them from becoming hazards? Do the benefits outweigh the disadvantages?

By William Poundstone. Sounds like an interesting book.

The future of shopping with mobile phones. Aggressive merchandising. Privacy issues.

Study finds that there's no benefit to banning food and fluids during labour.

Scheduling recess before lunch in American schools has unexpected benefits: less food wasted, more healthy food consumed, better attention being paid in the classroom.

Post-traumatic stress disorder and childbirth. People don't tend to think PTSD happens with childbirth, but it's logical given that the root of it is fear.

Via Joyce. Somewhere really nice to eat?

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