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She could be referring to Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543) who proposed a view of the universe which was to become eventually at odds with the Church.
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe: “Of all discoveries and opinions, none may have exerted a greater effect on the human spirit than the doctrine of Copernicus. The world had scarcely become known as round and complete in itself when it was asked to waive the tremendous privilege of being the center of the universe. Never, perhaps, was a greater demand made on mankind - for by this admission so many things vanished in mist and smoke! What became of our Eden, our world of innocence, piety and poetry; the testimony of the senses; the conviction of a poetic - religious faith? No wonder his contemporaries did not wish to let all this go and offered every possible resistance to a doctrine which in its converts authorized and demanded a freedom of view and greatness of thought so far unknown, indeed not even dreamed of.”

I don’t get it, Philip.

I don’t get it either. Especially because as I thought Galileo was the one who got into trouble.
I like the quote, and see how it would indicate a belief in man’s fallenness- though how one would get the specific doctrine of total depravity out of it puzzles me. (Perhaps because I don’t believe in total depravity myself ? )

Reasons.

1473, his Birthdate - same number.

“Rules are of course ‘made to be broken’”

Copernicus was the initial breaker of the “rules”, which were that the Earth was the center of the Universe.
Copernicus did not get in trouble for that, it was Galileo.
Galileo, who promoted Copernicus’ ideas was hailed as a heretic and was kept under house arrest.

“This book, usually called the Little Commentary, set out Copernicus’s theory of a universe with the sun at its centre”

Science came from Magic (Actually theres some Harry Potter reading in that as well)
Do you really belive that the sciences would even have originated and grown if the way had not been prepared by magicians, alchemists, astrologers and witches whose promises and pretensions first had to create a thirst, a hunger, a taste for hidden and forbidden? (Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche)

“that witches and wizards who see the list ‘might get ideas’”.

Might get ideas. Little kids might get ideas from the Witching and Wizardry from her books. I think the following sums up what I’m saying
“The pastor, Jack Brock labels Rowling’s books as a, “a masterpiece of satanic deception” and proclaims that, “these books teach children how they can get into witchcraft and become a witch or wizard, or warlock.” (The Toronto Star, December 31, 2001.) The minister led his congregation as well as the neighborhood of followers and opponents in a burning of the books of Rowling as well as, Richard Roper of the Sun-Times states, ” other ‘unacceptable’ works of literature by Tolkien and Shakespeare, ‘Star Wars’ merchandise and the obligatory satanic-themed heavy metal CDs.” (Chicago Sun-Times January 3, 2002.) Although many may disagree with the pastors thinking and methods, Potter fans around the world can rejoice in this “un-holy” fire that was created. This action forever ensures the safety of the books. If one were to look at other banned material relating directly to the church, Galileo and Copernicus’ name should pop up eventually”

Does it make sense now?

No. I think you completely missed my point.

No I get your point.

But I am making a different point.

We have two seperate points, my point is from my viewpoint, yours is from yours.
Neither is valid since are both guessing.
You say “innate understanding of the doctrine of total depravity”

But you can’t be sure that she does have a understanding of the doctrine of total depravity at all.

And my points is different. Thats all.

However I didn’t miss your point since I made no comment about your point before this post.

I’ll be clear on what my point is.

If I read this part of the book (ignoring your comment) I would have seen the date 1473 and thought of Copernicus (which is what I did), then I read the rest and it reminded me of what I hear about the book burning of her books as they are “evil” when I saw the “might get ideas” part. Then I think, well if I was her, why would I choose that particular date? Why not 1474? Or another. If I’m going to be specific I may as well put something meaningful down, at least meaningful to me. And I remember all about the book burning of her Harry Potter books and how that relates to the Church, and how it connects to the “breaking of the rules” of when the sun was proclaimed to be roughly the center of the universe rather than the Earth. The Church belived that the Earth was the center of the universe. So this rule was broken by Copernicus.
In this quote I would think of the “Department” as the Church.
“Departmen’s view that witches and wizards who see the list ‘might get ideas’” reflects what happened at the book burning and reflects what happened in the Church when the Church (department) choose the view that scientists and people (witches and wizards as sometimes viewed at the time) who learn of the sun being the center of the universe might get ideas and threaten the stability of the Church.
All of these things could/should be known to J. K. Rowling and it makes sense to me that she would put them in either consciously or subconsciously.

Regardless, my point does not make your point invalid.