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The Fairy Tale Post

Wednesday, 22 December, 2004

Let us revisit the subject of fairy tales. As I've said previously, I do have something of an obsession with them. I'm not quite sure how it started. They were standard children's fodder when I was growing up, what with Disney's sanitised musical animations, watching Swan Lake as a five-year-old (my first ever ballet) and the various hardcover children's books on fairy tales (Hans Christian Anderson/Grimm/Perrault) that were part of my early library (none of which I have any more—they weren't worth keeping). After we moved to Australia, my reading diet consisted mainly of Enid Blyton (Folk of the Faraway Tree, Malory Towers, The Naughtiest Girl in the School, The Mystery of the Pantomine Cat and the hugely influential [on me, anyway] Tales of Long Ago) and Lucy Maud Montgomery (I read through all the Anne books, all the Emily books, The Stoy Girl duology and all the stand-alones [of which The Blue Castle and Jane of Lantern Hill remain my favourites]).

I think I had a natural inclination towards all things fantastic. My interest in Greek myths and the Trojan War was sparked about this time. In high school I moved on to Marion Zimmer Bradley (my goodness! I didn't know she died 5 years ago!), Guy Gavriel Kay (I remember reading Tigana for five days straight—lounging around on our deck; I later added that first edition to my private library which is why I now have two copies) and dabbling my toes in Tolkien (though I wasn't quite ready for it—never got past the prologue).

My passion for fairy tales really kicked off in late high school when the ABC screened the original Broadway production of Into the Woods as part of their Sunday night art special. Stupidly, I had chosen to watch The Fisher King but my friend Liwen was far more discerning and taped the program which I viewed later. I was already a bit of a Sondheim fan, having grown up listening to Barbra Streisand's rendition of “Not While I'm Around” and “Being Alive”. And I had always sort of been into musicals too (A Chorus Line, 42nd Street, Anything Goes, etc.) My friend Ynping and I went to see the Sydney Theatre Company's production of Into the Woods and, as a result, I got the worst mark I've ever received for a maths exam (but it was worth it!) I think the three of us were profoundly impacted by Into the Woods—not just the musical but all the things surrounding it: David Stratton's (was it David?) fine introduction, the program booklet article about fairy tales, a piece which discussed Bruno Bettelheim's influence on Sondheim, etc.

Coinciding with this sudden burst of Sondheim was my introduction to Robin McKinley by another friend who lent me Beauty, saying it was her favourite book ever (this edition also made it to my library and somehow I've ended up with three copies). What I loved about Robin's retelling is that she made the characters seem so human and so likable but she didn't sacrifice the story for the sake of some hidden agenda—she was completely faithful to the Beauty and the Beast tale (Beauty and the Beast is her archetypal source story).

So it was quite appropriate that, when it came time to do some sort of speech for Year 11/Year 12 English, fairy tales became my theme. I read bits of The Uses of Enchantment (Bruno Bettelheim) and I also discovered J.C. Cooper's Fairy Tales: Allegories of Inner Life in the local library. Bettelheim subscribed to the school of Freud; Cooper, the school of Jung. So my initial thinking about fairy tales was heavily psychoanlytical and I guess it still is. One of the major things that appeals to me about fairy tales is that they are about growing up—the transition from childhood to adulthood, passing through the rites of initiation, overcoming trials, finding “home” in the “happily ever after”. As G.K. Chesterton writes,

“Fairy tales are more than true: not because they tell us that dragons exist, but because they tell us that dragons can be beaten.”

Perhaps that's something my 16-year-old self needed to hear, battling with what I realise in hindsight was probably depression, perhaps brought about by changing life circumstances and the dreaded HSC.

This psychoanalytical perspective on fairy tales continued until part-way through Uni when I was reading a journal article on A.B. Facey's A Fortunate Life which was completely based on Max Lüthi's Fairy Tale as Art Form and Portrait of Man. In this book, Lüthi discussed fairy tale conventions—particularly that of the protagonist:

(A.S. Byatt plays with all of these conventions in “The Story of the Eldest Princes” (one of the fabulous short stories in The Djinn in the Nightgale's Eye which I heartily recommend you read.)

I referred to Lüthi so much, I eventually photocopied the entire book (also did that with Cooper as well; Bettelheim I found in Lesley MacKay's bookshop in Double Bay and I went on to read the entire volume during my Honours year). I can't remember how I came to acquire the other books in my thesis bibliography but I must have stumbled across them along the way (Jack Zipes [first read him in the University of Wollongong library], Brian Froud [my favourite movie is The Labyrinth], even Neil Gaiman [who wrote the fabulous “Troll Bridge”]). At the beginning of 1998 I went to Canada/US and stocked up majorly on The Fairy Tale series (ed. Ellen Datlow and Terri Windling; novels and short stories) and the books listed in their recommended reading list (Anne Sexton's Transformations poetry sequence, The Practical Princess and Other Liberating Fairy Tales [Jay Williams] and, of course, the compulsory The Bloody Chamber [Angela Carter]. But I too squeamish to ever read The Juniper Tree—well, more than the excerpt that appeared in Armless Maidens which was a very troubling reminder of the abuses that have been committed against children by adults).

I tried to write a poetry sequence on Cinderella when I was doing third-year Creative Writing. When I finished my major in English, I thought that fairy tales would be a good thing to do my Honours in. Well, it didn't quite work out the way I'd hoped. I ended up doing it at UNSW instead of Wollongong. But half a lifetime of collecting fairy tale materials did pay off when it came to writing my thesis and I certainly had a lot of head knowledge and useless facts about fairy tales. Take Cinderella for example (which is my favourite fairy tale):

Fairy tales is such a humongous topic I wasn't really sure what I wanted to write about at first. I had vague ideas about doing something about rewritings (which have always fascinated me—how authors can take an old tale and make it their own; Charles de Lint, for example, transformed “Jack and the Beanstalk” into an urban grungy tale about “Jacqui” and the “giants” of the underworld gangs; Pamela Dean's Tam Lin follows the undergraduate career of a young woman during the seventies who becomes involved with a young man named Thomas who is a Classics major as well as evoking the particular quirks of campus “folklore”). Then I came to realise that I had been thinking about rewritings in terms of there being an “original” to rewrite when the truth was, there probably wasn't. Stories evolved as they were passed down through time, the younger generation taking on the tales to make them their own and promote their own ideals and values. Perrault, for example, believed in the aristocracy, whereas the Grimms brothers came from the rising merchant class/bourgeousie and didn't see social climbing/marrying outside your social circle as a problem. Even now fairy tales are tailored to be politically correct (Once Upon a More Enlightened Time), to promote homosexual ideology (I didn't read that one) or feminist ideals (Ever After is an excellent example of this), or to mindlessly entertain (Mario Bros/The Legend of Zelda, etc.).

I am tremendously indebted to Jack Zipes for eventually coming to this understanding and that is why my supervisor thinks I took a post-Marxist approach to my thesis (I don't even understand what post-Marxism is!) So when I wrote about postmodern fairy tales, I was just talking about fairy tales written after World War II and what they were like—how they promoted the ideologies of our society and culture in the modes and mediums of our culture—and, I guess, where my little contribution fitted into that. To me it seems wonderful that the process of telling tales of wonder (“fairy tale” is such a stupid term; most of them don't even have fairies in them. The German word, märchen, is better) has persisted throughout the centuries, resulting in incarnations even more wonderful and exciting than that which has gone before. Though Neil Gaiman's Coraline and Hayao Miyazaki's Spirited Away draw upon the tropes and conventions of the genre, their creations seem so fresh and original that it's as if there never were fairy tales like them before.

But the ultimate fairy tale has always been for me (and I know this is going to sound awfully clichéd and trite but it is true) the gospel story as retold in the Bible. There is nothing more wonderful or marvellous than the great tale of how God came to save us and to live with him as part of his family forever.

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Have you noticed that since Mary Donaldson’s got married to HKH Kronprinsen Frederik, all the Hans Christian Andersen books have been prominently on display in the local bookshops? Hans Christian Andersen RULZ! You should go to Denmark - everywhere claims to be his birthplace (it’s actually Odense) and they made a huge lego statue of him in Legoland, Billund. How Danish can you get eh?

Posted by Jane on 24 December, 2004 10:19 AM

I think Disney did a great service to The Little Mermaid - I’m not the greatest HCA fan.

Other than that - this is a great post Karen, interesting, though-provoking. I read some of the authors you mentioned when I was doing my independent research piece (Is Harry Potter Evil? The Perils of Magic in Children’s Fantasy Fiction) and others when I wrote my honours thesis (Railway Children: The Role of the Railway in British Children’s Novels). But as for the others - I want to read them all. Next time I’m in Sydney, may I sit in your library for a few days? smile

Well actually, you only have one copy of Tigana on your bookshelf because one is currently sitting in the pile of (read) books next to my bed.

I shall return it to you when I next see you. And yes, I enjoyed it very much (can you lend me some more Guy Gavriel Kay please?).

Also, you have a typo up there somewhere: I do believe you mean “cinder” instead of “ciner”.

Faery tales are good.

Kathleen, Haoran, I would love to oblige but unfortunately 95% of my fiction library is in boxes in Ben’s parents’ garage. *Sigh*

HCA was apparently a very annoying conceited person who annoyed Dickens by overstaying his welcome. I do like some of his fairy tales though.

Jane, I hadn’t noticed! How funny!

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Kathleen said in Beilharzen:

Congratulations again smile

Elsie said in Beilharzen:

Don’t laminate your ultrasound picture smile That is my advice.

Diane Lovell said in Beilharzen:

Congratulations! This is so fantastic! smile

Little said in Beilharzen:

Thanks so much for sharing all of this… people swap engagement stories but rarely pregnancy stories! And it’s kind of similar don’t you think, all this excitement leading up to a big day!

So happy for you guys! Actually never been more excited for anyone except my sister! I think it’s because I think that you will both be amazing parents and love the idea that someone could grow up in your family.

Looking forward to many more posts on the topic. smile

Jan said in Beilharzen:

Lovely news, Karen.

/Karen/ said in Beilharzen:

Thanks everyone! I will be sure to ask for help when I need it!

sammi said in Beilharzen:

Great pic!! Peanut is cute! :D
Praying for you all!
xx

Sarah said in Beilharzen:

:D
I had a similar sort of morning sickness.. except I threw up! I’m suitably impressed that you coped OS.. that must have been tough.
It sounds like you’re doing marvelously otherwise!
Book recommendation on something a bit less technical and a bit more human: ‘Birth’ http://www.birthnet.com.au/

Bec said in Beilharzen:

Praise be to God indeed!  Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful.

Ben A said in Beilharzen:

Congratulations, Beilharzen! Welcome to the slightly-bewildering world of pregnancy (and birth...and children...). God has blessed you greatly with this new life. We’ll be praying for Peanut’s growth and development, and for you guys as you prepare.

I’m sure you’re surrounded by baby veterans, but always happy to help with books/advice/recommendations/listening.

B&L;

Fi said in Oblique:

Excellent job Karen! You SHOULD be pleased with yourself!

Have you discovered http://www.ravelry.com ? It is an excellent site with thousands of free patterns in its database, lots of support, tips, forums etc and of course - friends like me? Look me up when you get there - fionag77

PS Are you just wearing a bulky dress or are you sporting a bump under that dress?

sammi said in Oblique:

oooh.... It’s done and it looks great on you! xxx

Bec said in Oblique:

Well done on all that hard work!  It looks great and will be very snuggly come winter!

/Karen/ said in Fashioning (part 2):

Thanks for letting me know, Timo!

Timo Rissanen said in Fashioning (part 2):

Hi there,
Thanks for pointing out the shortcoming on our website. I’ll pass it on to my colleagues and hopefully it will be rectified soon.

The documentary at Fashioning Now was by Holly Kaye-Smith; I’d be more than happy to put you in touch with her if you’d like.

Again, thanks for the comment, much appreciate it!

Kind regards,
Timo Rissanen

/Karen/ said in Fashioning (part 1):

Thanks Mark! Much appreciated!

Mark Crean said in Fashioning (part 1):

Rich survey, Karen. Particularly I was struck by the notion of Jesus being clothed with our sins. I heard recently somebody suggest the crown of thorns was a kings crown but it was made of the symbol of the curse in the Garden - thorns. I would like to read your thoughts about Joseph’s coat of many colours.
Looking forward to the next installment. Regards,Mark

Kathleen said in Yvonne (Part 3):

It is lovely - and looks great on you.

You’ve made me want to read it - though I may need an interpreter at times!

Kathleen said in Bag learner (reprise):

Well done with the sewing!
I think it looks good - very relaxed and spring-y.

/Karen/ said in Creative endeavour:

Hey Sandra! Thanks for the tip! I read it yesterday, but I struggled a bit because Lewis doesn’t start from the Bible. I wasn’t convinced by his argument. What did you think?

Interesting post Karen - Thanks smile
I like the ending too! :D
xxx

Fantastic post, Karen. Just great. Thanks!

Thanks Bec! Eternal life just keeps getting better and better ...

I do like the way you ended this post - excellent thought.

Personally I don’t feel that way. Maybe that’s something you should blog about?

Wow. Lots of things to pick up on there. It’s been interesting to see the changes to your blog these last 6-12 months: Twitter is certainly more immediate, but are there (gasp) downsides to having its constant buzz in the ear?

Is our (already fractured) ability to concentrate on a single relationship at a time further jeapordised by the regular buzz of tweetdeck (and worse yet, by the imagined sense of loss that goes with being off the grid)?

Or am I just projecting my own fears?

sandra j said in Creative endeavour:

Hi Karen!
If you’re still thinking about this… I just read CS Lewis’s essay “Learning in War-time” which exactly addresses this issue (ie. how can we justify cultural & aesthetic pursuits when people are going to hell around us?).  Have you read it?  i’d be interested to hear what you think..
(i have it in his little volume “Transposition and other Addresses”, but it’s easily findable online)

Sarah said in Creative endeavour:

I’m doing my own series on the trials and tribulations of writing on my own blog here http://sedshed.blogspot.com/search/label/From%20Head%20to%20Hand
It’s coming along slowly smile

Coincidentily, I stumbled upon the above Phonogram vs. the Fans cover when digging around for ID concepts for Salt. A disturbingly brilliant image.

Thanks Karen. At the very least, this post gives some context to your myriad of phonogram tweets. At best, it has reinvigorated my stagnated appreciation of comics.

Seriously, though 4,549 words. Is that the best you can do? I say, longer!

Hey @RodeoClown! Yes, I neglected to mention Gillen writes about gaming. Guan said once he had the ideal job: writing, comics and games.

As far as I know, McKelvie doesn’t trace photos; he just draws (so talented ...)

You should give Phonogram a try. Be warned, though: series 1 is a little different to series 2—still clever but there are some things that are a bit strange in it if you’re not used to the fantastic.

RodeoClown said in Phonogram: A fangirl's tribute:

Whoops, I stuffed up that link, sorry.
It was to Rock Paper Shotgun where he writes (he also has a standalone blog as well.

RodeoClown said in Phonogram: A fangirl's tribute:

I didn’t know Gillen wrote comics until I saw the last phongram reference you made on here. It’s odd as I only knew of him as a videogame jounalist (which he is also really good at).

I read the sample issue of phonogram they have up at the Image comics (I think) site.

It looked pretty interesting - I like the subtlety involved in telling the story - the references aren’t all forciby thrust into your brain by the writer.

Do you know if the art is done by tracing photos or just dtawn?

I certainly don’t understand enough about pop music to really get that comic series, but I’m glad you’ve shared how you came to appreciate comics.

I’d say go and make some short comics. Seems like it will make the longer stuff easier to put together.

You’re right. I don’t really understand. But I do so love reading your writing. It’s like you’re speaking inside my head and excitedly telling me something.

/Karen/ said in Creative endeavour:

Thanks Sarah! Feel free to share your own thoughts on the subject.

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I’m a Christian, I’m a writer (well, I’m working on my first novel which is nearing completion) and I felt your post so PERFECTLY captured the dilemmas I’ve been thinking about.

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KAREN!!!! it looks so amazing!!! i cant believe how beautiful it is. Everyone at work is just amazed at how talented you are. I’ll get in contact with you soon xx

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I love it, Karen. You must teach me how to do this.

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