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The MYC experience

Monday, 21 July, 2003

I must apologise for the silence on my end; I've been at Mid Year Conference (MYC). MYC runs for five days during the July university break. Sometimes my birthday lands in the middle of it. I'm glad it didn't this year; one year when it did I just happened to be on lunch orderlies and it was no fun. MYC is actually six days if you go to Pre-MYC which starts on the Sunday. Pre-MYC is really for people who have been to MYC before and we think through ways that we can love and serve others when they arrive on the first day as well as hearing some Bible teaching. The good thing about going to Pre is that you are more or less settled by the time the rest of the horde comes. Plus you've had one extra night to get used to the strange bed you're now sleeping in (and breakfast is usually later).

Traditionally there have been two MYCs that have run during the July university break. The second week was for UNSW's Campus Bible Study (CBS) and the first was for the Christian groups at the University of Western Sydney (Campbelltown, Nepean and Penrith branches), Cumberland College, University of Technology Sydney Kuring-gai campus, University of Wollongong, Christians in the Media and Fellowship for Evangelism in the Visual Arts (FEVA). Phillip Jensen used to preach at both and also handle CBS graduates' conference on the weekend in between. Because Phillip has now taken up the position of Dean of Sydney, he no longer speaks at MYC. This year CBS and FEVA decided to do their own thing but the other university groups thought it would be good to stick to the old format.

A typical day for MYC (if you're a student and not part of any staff team like we are) goes something like this:

7:30 am

Eat breakfast

8:30 am

Meet in small groups of about four or five to do a “manuscript discovery”-type study of the passage of the Bible that has been included with your conference booklet. This passage is usually taken from the Old Testament and is most commonly from one of the epistles, though this year it was from Acts 1-3. All the headings, chapter numbers, verse numbers and paragraphs are removed so you get about four A4 pages of solid justified text. Over five days you spend time looking at the passage, finding recurring words or ideas, breaking up the text into sections you think are logical, charting the flow of the logic of the passage and trying to answer any niggling questions that might have been raised from looking at this passage.

10:00 am

Reflection time (ie. quiet time). Read your Bible and pray.

10:30 am

Morning tea.

11:00 am

Seminars in campus groups. (Though if you are at MYC with CBS, you split off into faculty groups because CBS is so large.) The seminars are usually based around a particular aspect of the central topic of MYC. This year the topic was “Our God is So Big” (ie. God's sovereignty). In small and large groups you search through the Bible trying to put together a general sense of what the Bible says about *insert theme* and how that applies to you.

1:00 pm

Lunchtime.

2:00 pm

Free time. Usually on the first proper day of MYC (Monday) there is “Organised Fun” which is run to help people from the different campuses/faculties get to know one another better. Personally, I don't think those two words belong together. This year Organised Fun was organised by Christians in the Media who made us play Pictionary and go on a scavenger hunt. One of the things on the list for the scavenger hunt was to find the receipt for the largest amount of money. I knew that Pakman had just recently bought at $900 amp so I asked him for the receipt which he gladly handed over. Unfortunately this amount was beaten by one for $989. During free time on the other days I played cards with people and I made cards for people and left them for those who were coming to the CBS MYC the following week.

4:00 pm

Afternoon tea.

4:30 pm

Electives on Tuesday and Wednesday; campus/faculty planning on Thursday. Electives are usually on the same topics every year (singleness, career and money, evangelism, guidance, etc.) with just the theme of MYC tacked on the front. In the 8 years I have been going to MYC I have seen: “Wisdom and Singleness”, “Time and Singleness”, “The Cross of Christ and Singleness”, “Relationships and Singleness”, and, of course, “God's Sovereignty and Singleness”. Ben wanted to run an elective called “God's Sovereignty and Why You Came to This Elective” but got caught up in too many other things instead. This year I went to “God's Sovereignty and Other Religions” and “God's Sovereignty and the Defence Forces”. Unfortunately, because of the hour of the day, I fell asleep in both of them.

6:00 pm

Dinner.

7:00 pm

Evening talks. Listening to Phillip for the first time could be quite a shock for some poor undergraduates who have probably never heard a sermon that goes longer than 40 minutes. Phillip could preach anywhere up to two hours if he had a mind to do it (which was a little unfortunate because then his sermon wouldn't fit entirely on the tape). This year we got John Woodhouse, principal of Moore Theological College, to speak to us on the topic of “Our God is So Big” from 1 and 2 Samuel. He basically did an exposition of both books touching in great detail on the major events of the history of Israel. Someone pointed out to me that he used no illustrations. But you'd hardly notice because he was so interesting to listen to and he made everything he said very relevant to his listeners. He also—not once!—didn't run overtime.

9:00 pm

Supper. (Yes—typical Christian camp; all we do is eat!)

9:30 pm

Question time with the speaker if it's your campus/faculty's turn. Usually the same sort of questions come up all the time (homosexuality, women's ministry, predestination, limited atonement, etc.) You start becoming more interested in how the question is answered so that you can answer it yourself later when you're asked the same thing.

11:00 pm

Lights out! All staff try to encourage the young undergraduates to go to bed and not do silly things like knock on doors and run away or stay up into the wee hours of the morning in deep and meaningful conversations. (Of course, I was just as bad as an undergraduate!)

I must say that it's very different being on staff at MYC instead of just being a participant. You're constantly aware of other people and you have to push yourself to talk to them and get feedback from them on how the conference is going and think about how you can look after them. It's weird going to staff meetings instead of small group Bible studies. It's weird actually running the seminars instead of just enjoying them. (When Ben, Amanda and I ran ours we bought a box full of Christmas crackers for them to pull with each other, thus symbolising the tension in relationship between members of mankind and the symbolic sinful “crowning” of oneself.) Nevertheless, like I do every year, I really enjoyed MYC and look forward to the next one!

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Came here this morning and was going to leave a note to see if you were ill.

Where do you hold your conference?

Sounds very similar layout to the Scripture Union Conferences for senior high students that I help run.  We’ve been at CMS at Katoomba, but they are pricing themselves out of the range now, so we’ll have to find somewhere else.  Facilities are good.

We run “flexibreakfast.” 7:30-8:15.  first up, best dressed as far as food goes.

We have workshops before dinner to equip them with skills like running a meeting or planning a term.

Evenings are lighter, but there is usually a theme to them except for fun night which is total relaxation in the middle of the week.

We’ve never had problems at night, although we let the year 12s sleep in a room without a leader.  Last night tends to be a bit of hassle getting them into their rooms, but once there they stay there.  Rise early the next morning to catch the sunrise from the lookouts.

Jan

The Conference is usually held at Merroo Conference centre which is beautiful but has appalling showers!

Sigh…

I miss MYC!

(Happy belated birthday by the way Karen! You sure got a lot of presents!)

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RodeoClown said in Astrid (initial weeks):

Hi Karen,
Congratulations on Astrid’s birth.
A quick tip that we learned when we became parents and my wife was breastfeeding (don’t you love tips from strangers wink):

Instead of writing down which side to feed on next, stick a hairclip, or peg on your bra strap on the side they will next feed from. Then swap it over when you feed.

Then you never have to remember, and you don’t need to worry about writing it down.

Cafedave said in Astrid (initial weeks):

That is indeed an epic post! Brings back a lot of memories of Puff’s first weeks.

As far as how long until Astrid hits 16kgs, you can read it off the graphs in her blue book. I would guess somewhere between 2 and 3 years old.

bronwyn said in Peanut (at birth):

Hi Karen - yes! But we’re finished at Moore now and living back in Tassie so it’s unlikely. I enjoy still enjoy reading though, hope you don’t mind!

@Miriam - I had a very fast labour too (lets just say it was quite a bit quicker than 4 hours) and I almost felt embarrassed telling people! I’d never imagined I’d be one of ‘those’ women. Still, friends who’ve had longer labours followed by shorter labours assured me it’s the same amount of pain, just squeezed into a shorter time span so I try not to feel too bad smile

Miriam said in Peanut (at birth):

Congratulations Karen & Ben. What a beautiful daughter. Thanks for sharing your birth story - sounds almost identical to mine, except my labour was only 4 hours! My midwife also told me not to share it at mothers group as people would be jealous hehe smile

Enjoy this wonderful time getting to know Astrid.

Miriam

/Karen/ said in Peanut (at birth):

Thanks everyone!

Wow, Bron, I still can’t believe I haven’t met you yet! Thanks for continuing to read this blog!

Little Rachel, now I’m intrigued!!!

Sarah said in Peanut (at birth):

It’s so funny reading your labour experience. It’s so funny she came out when you were standing up and the midwife had to catch her. Wow! I will remember to go through your blog more carefully when my time comes around. It’s very informative.

Jan said in Peanut (at birth):

Congratulations to you all and many blessings.  Astrid is a little sweetie.

sarah said in Peanut (at birth):

Congratulations Karen and Ben.  A gorgeous girl with a gorgeous name.  Praise God!

Thanks for sharing your story.

ireneQ said in Peanut (at birth):

Congrats, Karen! She looks wonderful, so alert and adorable! Glad that everything went so smoothly (comparatively).

Little Rach said in Peanut (at birth):

Well, one of your details clears up a conversation Jess and Anna and Liza and I had! I’ll tell you later. smile
I think you and Ben did amazingly well, and that the staff were right: you were pretty tough! I will have to give all those exercises a go when that time comes.
Yay for Astrid! Such a beautiful name for a precious daughter.

Georgina said in Peanut (at birth):

Hello! Thanks for sharing. It sounded tough and bewildering! Can I come and visit sometime? Tonight or tomorrow night? I’m away for the next 4 days after that. Love George

Bronwyn said in Peanut (at birth):

Congratulations! Astrid Winter is a gorgeous name. So beautiful. Thank you for sharing your story. It’s interesting to hear from other women. Now I’m expecting my second I’m starting to think about all that again. Eeeeek!

RPA is very busy, apparently they’re at 3 times capacity for the area. When we were there last year the night my daughter was born there were something like 8 births in 45 minutes. As soon as I’d had a shower we had to be out of there! I remember being rather surprised at having to walk up to the post-natal ward.  “you want me to what?!”

cafedave said in Peanut (at around 38 weeks):

I don’t think it’s exclusively the change of temperature: young babies like to be cuddled up (or wrapped in a blanket or similar) as they adjust to being on the outside after so long being wrapped up on the inside.

Oh yeah, it makes perfect sense that babies would cry if you put them in a cold bed! I totally never thought of that!

I love your posts, they are so fascinating! :D

/Karen/ said in Mini break:

Oh Jess! There are so many good things about Sydney smile

apple said in Mini break:

Looks like really nice adventures! I don’t really think of Sydney as a place to explore.. hmm.. you have opened my mind up to The Staycation.

I get depressed at the adrenaline crash also because then I have time to think about how shitty everything is lol.

Hmm...food for thought indeed. V. interesting, thank you for posting smile

Lizz B. said in Peanut (at around 31 weeks):

lol! Karen, you’re so frank and I love it. “the non-constipating kind” of iron pills. hahaha.

i know how hard it is to not tell people the sex of your baby.  I am tempted to tell strangers or acquaintances what you’re having because, as Ben reasoned with the waiter, I’ll either never see them again or it’s not like their going to tell anyone of consequence.

/Karen/ said in Peanut (at around 31 weeks):

Thanks Kathleen! Glad you’re finding them interesting!

Kathleen said in Peanut (at around 31 weeks):

These posts are fascinating, Karen, and I’m happy/sad for you.

/Karen/ said in Peanut (at around 24 weeks):

Hey Little! One of the things that astounds me is that people all over the world give birth everyday in different circumstances, and they seem to get through it. Maybe all the bells and whistles of the western world are simply that—bells and whistles, and things we do to make ourselves feel better about such a painful and momentous occurrence. I’m sure Mongolia has its own ways of looking after their expectant mums!

Lizz B. said in Peanut (at around 24 weeks):

Great post, Karen.
As I said to you last Friday: the Toturo thing is gorgeous!
Thanks for posting about the changing relationships between friends.  I’ve been struggling to come to terms with my best friend’s relationship with her boyfriend and the loss I feel. It’s been 18mths now, but I guess it’s taking longer for me to deal with because he’s not something we talk about and I don’t often see them together.  However, it’s still known.  It’s good to know I’m not alone or going crazy or whatever.
Also, thanks for the updates on Peanut.  Can’t wait to meet him/her!

I think that your child will one day be thankful that they can read about what their mother was thinking. They won’t have to wonder if you’ve forgotten anything or just telling the good things! I think the positives are more believable when accompanied by the negatives, that’s just more realistic.

The PGP sounds really hard! Also not something that people talk about, so is it hard to get understanding from people when you need to go a little slower? Though perhaps they just expect that of pregnant women… gah, there are so many steps at MM! :(

I worry about the money stuff too… though I guess in Mongolia maybe they won’t do all those medical things so I won’t have to pay for them! raspberry

Keep blogging! You know I’m fascinated. ;p

/Karen/ said in Peanut (at around 24 weeks):

Thanks Miriam! That’s good to know!

Hi Karen,
Thanks for the long update. It sounds like you are experiencing very common emotions (high and low) of first-time expectant mothers.

In answer to your question about breastfeeding in 5mins - that’s pretty common. In the first few weeks as both you and baby are learning how to feed (it takes a while to get the hang of it)feeding takes a little while (about an hour for me and Alex). This was actually a blessing for me as it meant I could sit and rest for that period of time, 5 or 6 times a day! Lovely, especially as it was such a tiring time of my life, with all the adjusting that comes with the birth of a child.

The milk flow can be quite fast to begin with(often too fast for baby!) and it means they take in too much and then need to be burped, which all takes time. After awhile though your breasts will adjust and regulate themselves as they work out how much milk is needed. THey are amazing the way they work. They actually feel quite soft and empty after a few weeks and lots of new mums worry that they don’t hvae enough milk, but it is very normal, and just means your body has regulated the amount of milk it makes.

Check out the Australian Breastfeeding Association webpage - it is full of excellent information. I would recommend joining the association - you receive a magazine every 2 months, which is filled with wonderful articles. I found it very helpful (and still do after 3 years of feeding). A great bit of reading to have in your hands while sitting down to feed. You also receive an excellent book “Breastfeeding....naturally” which answers just about any question you may have about breastfeeding. I read it many many times!

Mim

Kathleen said in Peanut (at around 18 weeks):

Congratulations again - and it is very interesting to hear what happens!

/Karen/ said in Peanut (at around 18 weeks):

@Sarah: Thanks for the tip RE Australian Breastfeeding Association! I never would have thought to look there. Ditto KMart: I was wondering if they did since Target don’t.

@Rae: Thanks for the tip! I’ll check it out.

@Little Rachel: Oh, I’ll definitely be up for visitors! I may not be very good company (brain-dead, etc.) but I’ll certainly appreciate visits!

@Rachel C: CONGRATS!!! So excited for you smile Yours sounds like a good philosophy. One day I shall have to blog about Outliers!

@CafeDave: Thanks for the tip!

@Elissa: Thanks for your kind words! It makes me happy that you and Dave were excited we were getting married! Thanks also for the prayers!

@Elsie: There are lots of other lovely things I could have said about you, but let’s not overload my readers, shall we? ;P

Aww...thanks for the lovely things you said about me! I enjoyed reading this post (as I do with all yours). xo

Congratulations to you both. I know you will be such wonderful parents. You sound WAY too sensible! grin
(Sorry to read that there were some unusual comments made about your marriage! We thought it was exciting. We still have a lovely photo of you & Ben in our lovely box of special memories. (I was only 22 when married & I was 30 when we had Bonnie...)
Everyone is different! I nodded through your post. SO many people feel the curious need to share their “horror stories” which is just dreadful. I remember complaining to David who said - go find people who are positive & listen to them. Great advice, which I did. Those people still have a big place in my heart because their advice was honest & gentle.
Bless you & Ben & the little Peanut. We pray all goes smoothly over the coming weeks/months ahead. We sometimes forget what a precious little miracle life really is…

cafedave said in Peanut (at around 18 weeks):

Another book from the dad’s perspective I found helpful was From here to paternity - it’s an Australian book, and was followed up with a blog.

Rachel C said in Peanut (at around 18 weeks):

Hi!

I’m so excited for you reading your blog about being pregnant smile I am 13 weeks pregnant with #2. 

You’re so right about all the pessimism “advice” that you get.  I got so mad about it but never found a good response.  I’ve had such joy right from day one with E that I just don’t want to buy into the negativity (I’m sure kids pick up on it too!).

My philosophy was/is to be a relaxed mum and from that figure out what was best for my baby/child.  Get advice when you’re not sure on things or want to know how other people approached things, read books (loved Outliers!) that aren’t all about parenting… but just enjoy. 

In a sample size of one to date, I’ve had such a happy, chilled out son right from day one.  People say all the craziest advice… glad you don’t do guilt smile

With love,
R

Little Rach said in Peanut (at around 18 weeks):

Thanks so much for writing more! I love hearing how you’re going and all your thoughts.

After watching my sister I agree with you that it seems the first six months are perhaps the hardest. She got quite lonely at home all day; weekends were all right because then her husband was around but it’s just as you say… one feed ends then the next begins! If you are accepting visitors during this period then I hope to use some RDOs to come have grown-up conversations! smile

The book review of The Second Nine Months makes me want to read it now!

Names: We have one girl name that we both like and no boy names that we agree on. But they are also top-secret… so if anyone else uses them we can’t accuse them of theft! wink

Yay Peanut, keep on growing, can’t wait to meet you!

Hello! Thanks for sharing smile

Rae Green said in Peanut (at around 18 weeks):

I loved reading your pregnancy update! I am glad to hear that things are all going pretty well, and I hope the rest of your 2nd trimester is as good.

I just wanted to add, that some other blokes decided that there was not much for the fathers-t0-be, and made a couple of DVD’s just for expectant dads. They are called ‘Being Dad’and i think they are available at big W. I have both though, if you would like me to send them!

Just wanted to wish you all the best!
Love
Rae

re: gluten: no idea!! I didn’t have to go on that diet - it was probably related to the test I didn’t do.

At the risk of adding to your list of advice:

Re: maternity bras - because I’m big I had to look hard for something nice in my size and discovered the Australian Breastfeeding Association. They have a massive range online and most are (dare I say it) sexy. smile

Re: maternity clothes - Kmart have a nice range of basic stuff.. I only found out towards the end of pregnancy and I would have liked to know earlier!

Re: Parenting classes - if you’re at RPA you can just ring the midwives section (they’ll put you through) and ask directly.

Kathleen said in Beilharzen:

Congratulations again smile

Elsie said in Beilharzen:

Don’t laminate your ultrasound picture smile That is my advice.

Diane Lovell said in Beilharzen:

Congratulations! This is so fantastic! smile

Little said in Beilharzen:

Thanks so much for sharing all of this… people swap engagement stories but rarely pregnancy stories! And it’s kind of similar don’t you think, all this excitement leading up to a big day!

So happy for you guys! Actually never been more excited for anyone except my sister! I think it’s because I think that you will both be amazing parents and love the idea that someone could grow up in your family.

Looking forward to many more posts on the topic. smile

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How to make wontons.

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Interesting answer.



"We pick out people who have the same kind of unhappiness we do. And we gravitate toward them and try to help them.



"Many of us are like this. Every time we try to help someone else and fail, it feels weird. It feels bad. We do not know exactly what is going on but it is upsetting.



"Until one day we realize that what we are doing is avoiding our own pain. We have learned to act as though it is not our pain that is at issue, but other people's."

Cleaning tips for all sorts of things. White vinegar is apparently wonderful!

The case for print.



"Laura Miller has argued eloquently in Salon about reading on the iPad as a serene experience, a sanctuary from the link-surfing that dominates so much of what we read online. And yet, I know what having an iPod has done to my attention span and ability to sit through an entire album, in order, by one artist ... and I'll be damned if I let the same thing happen to the way I read. Out of every argument I've heard in favor of e-readers ... my least favorite might be the central point of the thing: the fact that it allows you to choose from thousands of books at any given time. I simply don't want that kind of potential for distraction ...



"For me, to deny books their physical structure simply ignores far too much of what makes them enjoyable. The commitment they require, the way they force you into a state of simultaneous calm and focus—these are things I have yet to duplicate by any other means."

Something to do with leftover wool. Makes good toys!

The reasons behind the creation of the 4 am news slot. Interesting how lifestyle fuels these sorts of cultural changes.

Via Elsie. Consumer addiction used to distract or cover for emotional emptiness/loss/grief, etc.

A parenting philosophy to introduce media to children late and slowly.

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